Come for the info, stay and make some friends. MODELS, SERIAL NUMBERS AND MANUFACTURING DATES FOR ITHACA GUNSReprinted with express written permission from Walter Claude Snyders books The Ithaca Gun Company From The Beginning and Ithaca Featherlight Repeaters: The Best Gun Going: A Complete History of the Ithaca Model 37 and the Model 87. Even the trigger-plate hammer gun built first in Syracuse and then later in Batavia was designed by A.C. Oct. 4, 1887. About 1915 Baker Gun & Forging Co. discontinued all these Batavia models and replaced them with the Black Beauty and the Black Beauty Special. What Baker guns does that serial number list apply to Baker was making his trigger-break hammer double and three-barrel guns in Lisle, New York, in 1876 and then Syracuse, New York, by 1877, as W.H. Fast & Free shipping on many items! Smith section for listings of the Baker patented three-barrel and two-barrel guns. Create your own unique website with customizable templates. Smith Maker in Syracuse, NY on shotguns manufactured 1877-1888. There was also a Batavia Ejector that listed at 35 with steel barrels and 37.50 with Damascus barrels. The Batavia Leader Model production starts in 1896 with serial number 75,000 and continues until 1915 ending with serial number154,000. The Firearms Forum is on online community for all gun enthusiasts. Has extractors. All rights reserved. Tell us what else you do know and the Firearms Appraiser will be able to better assist you. An A will have Damascus and a B will have Twist. After WW-I with the rise of repeaters Baker sold their gun business to HD Folsom Co. Folsom-made Baker guns normally have an F before or after the serial number. Barrel length and type of steel (indicate if . Crescent Fire Arms Company did not start making Baker shotguns until 1920. Description: Serial #9101F, 12 ga. (2 3/4"), 30" barrels choked Mod. The Blue Book of Gun Values strongly recommends an expert examination and appraisal when contemplating the purchase of a high grade Baker in 80% or better original condition. $300 circa 1910 BAKER BATAVIA LEADER double-barrel shotgun $300 FTF in . The Batavia Leader number series were from 75,000 to about 106,000. . Folsom era Bakers usually have an F before or after the serial numbers 1- about 14,000 so again, I . The side plates are marked "BATAVIA LEADER". I would like any information on a Baker Gun Co. Batavia Leader 12Ga. Smith Shotgun Co.That same year, Baker agreed to partner with three other investors to start producing firearms in Ithaca, New York. Create your own unique website with customizable templates. David is concentrating on the L.C. From a 1909 copy of The Baker Gunner -- The Batavia Leader had twist barrels and listed at 25 -- The Batavia Special had steel barrels and listed at 21.75 -- The Batavia Damascus had Damascus barrels and listed at 28 -- and, finally the Batavia Brush had 26-inch twist barrels and a straight-grip stock listing at 24 and offered swivels and a sling as an option for 3. So if the serial number starts with a (3) it is a model 1900. For sale is a Baker Batavia Leader SXS Shotgun in 12ga. It should have a 'F' on the action flats following the SN, and 50333 would be at the very end of Folsom production. Baker Gun & Forging Company was the first American arms manufacturer to: 1. Date of manufacture? There is no 'Standard Book Price' and no two people will tell you the same amount. Batavia Specials were numbered in the 150,000 to 171,000 range exclusively. The 12 month average price is $329.69 used. I haven't heard from him in years and haven't seen the book anywhere so I guess that it has not been published. If you need more photos, shoot me an email and I can send you more. 0 bids. Fairly plain wood with checkering mostly worn smooth, but appears to have been originally a nice pattern, nothing real fancy. In 1919 Baker sold out their gun business to H&D Folsom. Offered in a wide variety of grades, from plain utilitarian to heavily embellished models. Am I asking too much? Apr 17, 2013. Select Category THE BAKER GUN & FORGING CO. In that range one could find single barrel trap guns, Leaders, Paragons, Black Beauty, and a couple of others. Thank you for responding. The serial number is 100xxF. Info on Bakers is scarce. Note: The posting of Copyrighted material on this forum is prohibited without Chambers would have definitely been 2 5/8' Remember the early nitro powders 'white' did not create the higher pressures of todays duplex powders. Baker Gun & Forging Companywas not represented by any symbols or patterns. By Joseph T. Vorisek.455 Cartridge headstamps. Baker. Smith hammer and hammerless guns made in Syracuse. At end of gun stock is a logo B superimposed with a C and then superimposed with a T.-I assume it means Baker Co. Barrel is 32 in. Baker decided to move on to something else and sold the business to Lyman. Smith, Parker, LeFever, Fox and Ithaca, collector interest in these high quality sidelock shotguns is increasing. The serial number range was about 10,000 to 22,500, and "Syracuse, NY" was marked on the barrel top. So based on the above, I believe this is a 1909 - 1919 gun. Baker "normally" had their different gun models in blocks of serial numbers for each gun model, but during this period they had many models in the same block of serial numbers, from roughly the high 30,000 range through 51,000 or so. Double triggers and tang mounted automatic safety. Serial Number: Class: Antique. Grades for these Folsom owned Baker Guns were the 'Batavia Leader,' 'Black Beauty Special,' 'Paragon,' 'Expert,' and 'DeLuxe.' Evidently, he often got around just a few steps in front of the law. Click here for more information. SERIAL NUMBERS FOR ALL ITHACA GUNS MANUFACTURED by ITHACA GUN From 1880 - 1986. . Baker Shotguns Serial Numbers. JavaScript is disabled. Serial #: 100299. H D Folsom revived the Batavia Leader name but with steel barrels like the old Batavia Special.It is marked Baker Gun Company-Batavia N.Y. . Each of their ads uses the company name and a representation of the firearm it is promoting. The shotgun features 2 3/4 inch chambers, chokes measure full/modified, with an extractor. Do a search for Baker Batavia Leader and you'll find quite a range of prices. (twist barrels I believe) Unable to find year. Make sure your search is specific . With the letter F in the serial number, your Batavia Leader was made after Baker Gun & Forging Co. sold out the gun part of their business to H & D Folsom Arms Co. of New York City in 1919. The Batavia guns were the low priced or field grade models of the Baker Gun & Forging Co. To reduce costs the Batavia line did not have the firing pin block safety or the draw block which passes transversely through the barrel lug and mates into recesses in the frame, of the graded Baker hammerless guns and the Model 1897 hammer gun. Baker Gun & Forging Co. added a lower priced line of sidelock BATAVIA guns in 1902, with the Leader serial numbers starting at 75000. Create your own unique website with customizable templates. All 'Baker Grade' guns were available with the extra draw lug and firing pin block safeties. Coming to Batavia in 1889, Ellis and William Baker created a gun company that sought to make its own niche in the shotgun market. Bidding ended on 6/14/2013. Not high condition but shootable with appropriate loads. Download.torrent - 2006 FIFA World Cup - PC. Face to face in Illinois would be best. Nov 18, 2013 - T. Barker double barrel exposed hammer shotgun, 12gauge, 30 " barrels, 47" overall, serial number 6691. Serial number- 98081. This early 1900's sidelock from the Baker Gun Company arrived at SHD in pretty rough shape. If I wasn't a nice person I'd use the term 'gun snob'. In 1919, the company was sold to the H. D. Folsom Company of Norwich, Connecticut who continued to make Baker guns until 1930. We'll need to see some pictures of your gun to really tell you much about it. Folsom-made Baker guns normally have an F before or after the serial number. 3, May 1900 - At this date they only appeared to offer 5 guns - Model 1897 hammer gun with twist barrels $25 net, Model 1897 Hammer gun with Damascus barrels $27.80 net, the B-Grade with 'London Damascus twist' barrels for $35 net, the A-Grade with Fine Four-Blade Damascus barrels $42.75 net, and the Paragon Grade with fine four-blade Damascus barrels with extra fine figure $60 net. Here's what I could find out:The Baker Gun & Forging Co. Had a line of double barrel shotguns, sidelocks, called Batavia guns in 1903. The Batavia Special , with Homotensile barrels, was made from roughly 1907-1911. There is also someone out there selling reproductions of a Batavia Gun metal advertising sign as well as the 1915 catalog. This new venture became theIthaca Gun Company. Macon Gunstocks top quality walnut stock made for Baker SxS shotgun, Baker Batavia Leader SxS stock Baker Batavia stock. These were well made fairly inexpensive shotguns selling for between $15 to $25 new. The company name was soon changed to Baker Gun and Forging Co. http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/17434920, Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. Mar 14, 2018 Apr 03, 2013 Baker Double Barrel Shotguns Serial Number List 1 - 2447 * 1880 to 1885. Site Functions. I suppose you pays your money and takes your choice. Double trigger extractors. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. LSB#: 180131MG89 Make: Baker Gun Co., Made by H&D Folsom Model: Batavia Special Serial Number: 151325 Year of Manufacture: 1919-1930 (Folsom purchased Baker Gun & Forging in 1919 when "Baker Gun Co." began to be marked on the guns and the Baker Gun Co. was closed in 1930) Gauge: 12 Gauge, 2 1/2" Shells Action Type: Top Lever Opening Sidelock Double Barreled Shotgun No markings on barrels Membership is free and we welcome all types of shooters, whether youre a novice or a pro. 'The cut of the Baker hammerless gun as shown here was made from one of the regular 'B' grade guns picked from our stock on hand and is a fair sample of the engraving we put on these guns. Please refer to the pictures as there are multiple cracks in the stock and a dent/damage on the tip of the barrel. Folsom-made Baker guns normally have an F before or after the serial number. By 1932 they had no more Baker Guns. It says Baker Gun Co. on one lock and Batavia Leader on the other. The side plates are marked "BATAVIA LEADER". ca. The round knob on the grip is not characteristic of cheaper guns, this is an added expense. If you have an inside micrometer they're easy to measure but all dimensions may vary from 'standard'. Gentle loads are in order. I confirmed pre 1919 Batavia Specials (no F in Serno) had barrels made in Belgium. This lot is closed for bidding. Smith Collectors Association who knew a great deal about Baker guns. Firearm Factory Of The Month:Baker Gun & Forging Co. They were named "New Baker.". Although I think they are nice old doubles there is virtually no collector interest in them. A NEW BAKER MODEl shotgun (an outside hammer type) was made by the Baker Gun And Forging Company of Syracuse New York (1887 to 1919) The BAKER NEW MODEL was made from 1887 to 1894 (I have serial number-year made tables for this gun). At end of gun stock is a logo B superimposed with a C and then superimposed with a T.-I assume it means Baker Co. Barrel is 32 in. Serial no. When Baker Gun & Forging sold their gun business to H.& D. Folsom in 1919, it was renamed Baker Gun Co. and the Batavia Leader was reintroduced as a steel barrel gun similar to the old Batavia Special. Folsom-made Baker guns normally have an F before or after the serial number. The most notorious example is probably the night he had to climb out the window of the hotel where he was staying to avoid arrest! Folsom era Bakers usually have an F before or after the serial numbers 1- about 14,000 so again, I believe this one is before that. Grades for these Folsom owned Baker Guns were the "Batavia Leader," "Black Beauty Special," "Paragon," "Expert," and "DeLuxe."olsom listed the Black Beauty Special for $62 -$77 with ejectors, the Paragon $100 -$115, the Expert for $215, and the DeLuxe for $385. Standard 12 ga bores are.729 inch (cylinder bore), a full choke is.694, modified.710 and Improved Cylinder.720 inches. If you have an inside micrometer they're easy to measure but all dimensions may vary from 'standard'. If you need more photos, shoot me an email and I can send you more. The Batavia guns were the low priced or 'field grade' models of the Baker Gun & Forging Co. To reduce costs the Batavia line did not have the 'firing pin block safety' or the 'draw block' which passes transversely through the barrel lug and mates into recesses in the frame, of the graded Baker hammerless guns and the Model 1897 hammer gun. On the 1900 sometimes there is a Q ahead of the serial number, the Q signifies the model 1900. 4. Consider upgrading your membership for less than a box of bullets! Rating: OD - VERY GOOD- all original parts; none to 30% original finish; original metal surfaces smooth with all edges sharp; clear lettering . There is a half a sentence that eludes to higher priced guns built to special order. We urge the manufacturer to programme in the extra option of separate entry/exit points for Part 1 and Part 2 setting, thereby enabling the premises to be alarmed in two halves. In the very last Baker ads that Ive found in old sporting magazines from April and May 1928, and October 1929, Folsom also offered a 410-bore Batavia Leader, though Ive never seen one. IsoBuster Pro v2.5 Multi Lingual 1337x, 0, 0, Jan. 19th '09, 4.9 MB0, x L2Full Lineage 2 Interlude Install Disc.iso, 0, 0, Jan. 26th '09, 3.0 GB0, TheBadMan. The trigger guard retains 95% blue finish. Required fields are marked *. When this gun came out fluid steep barrels were a 'new fangled contraption' and damascus was preferred for it's good looks. I suggest you visit doublegunshop.com and post your pics and questions there; and specifically to the attention of Daryl Halquist who is a long-time Baker collector and knows more about Baker shotguns that anyone alive today. After four years, Baker decided to withdraw from the partnership and went back to Syracuse to work with his brother, Ellis. H & D Folsom revived the Batavia Leader name but with steel barrels like the old Batavia Special. Late model Bakers were made by Crescent Firearms Company and have serial numbers with an "F" suffix. It was the Folsom made Bakers that had the Crescent Arms Barrels. It would seen incorrect to have marked a serial number on a wooden part where it could be sanded off or the wood replaced. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. The cut of the Baker hammerless gun as shown here was made from one of the regular B grade guns picked from our stock on hand and is a fair sample of the engraving we put on these guns. Baker 'normally' had their different gun models in blocks of serial numbers for each gun model, but during this period they had many models in the same block of serial numbers, from roughly the high 30,000 range through 51,000 or so. This is a public un-moderated forum participate at your own risk. In 1874, Baker moved the company to Lisle, New York under the name W.H. The shotgun features 2 3/4 inch chambers, chokes measure full/modified, with an extractor. Your stock has some gouge marks near the end of the side plates which leads me to believe there is hairline crack in the stock, but maybe not. H & D Folsom Arms Co. 23, 25, and 31 (1929-1930) only list the Batavia Leader and Black Beauty Special. The first of these would appear to be #228,165 issued to W H Baker for the forend fastener (J Spring) & the second to A C Mcfarland for the Rebounding Locks (trigger plate action). It has some small chips to the wood near the trigger guard. A serial number if there is one will be stamped on the bottom of the barrels or the flat part of the receiver which is known as the watertable. Well, best of luck and thanks again for posting. Smith as being the dominant partner as L.C. In the very last Baker ads that Ive found in old sporting magazines from April and May 1928, and October 1929, Folsom also . It is a Side by Side Top Break action. From a 1909 copy of The Baker Gunner - The Batavia Leader had twist barrels and listed at $25 - The Batavia Special had steel barrels and listed at $21.75 - The Batavia Damascus had Damascus barrels and listed at $28 - and, finally the Batavia Brush had 26-inch twist barrels and a straight-grip stock listing at $24 and offered swivels and a sling as an option for $3. The company was then renamedL.C. Makes me think it is Belgian in origin but with no proof marks on the barrel flats thats unlikely. Another poster there, 'Researcher', knows tons of history on W.H. We are unsure of the chamber size or choke as they are not marked but we took close up of all stamps. Baker Batavia Leader S Serial Number Posted, Baker Batavia Leader S Update The Information. Batavia Specials go for between $200 and $400 when you see them. prior written consent of the Copyright holder. We work hard to bring the best Firearms Forum has to offer! Crescent Fire Arms Company did not start making Baker shotguns until 1920. Does your gun have a serial number and if so what is it, including any prefixs. The sidelock 'Black Beauty' replaced the Batavia Special, Leader, and Damascus guns about 1916. A serial number if there is one will be stamped on the bottom of the barrels or the flat part of the receiver which is known as the watertable. I am not an FFL or C+R, so FTF would be best.This is a BAKER BATAVIA LEADER double-barrel shotgun.This was made between 1909 and 1919, I believe, made in Batavia, New York. This section covers the popular hammer and hammerless guns manufactured 1887-1919 by the Baker Gun & Forging Company, (founded by William H. Baker) in Syracuse and Batavia, NY and the H&D Folsom Arms Co. 1920-1930 in Norwich, CT. We do not guarantee that every 'B' grade gun will be engraved from just the same design but endeavor to have about the same amount of engraving on each. Baker Gun & Forging Company was the first American arms manufacturer to: 1. $100 -$115, the Expert for $215, and the DeLuxe for $385. Doublegunshop.com may make changes to these materials, or to the products described therein, at any time without notice. A NEW BAKER MODEl shotgun (an outside hammer type) was made by the Baker Gun And Forging Company of Syracuse New York (1887 to 1919) The BAKER NEW MODEL was made from 1887 to 1894 (I have serial number-year made tables for this gun). The demand of new BATAVIA LEADER shotgun's has risen 1 units over the past 12 months. at that point of the stock. The Baker Gun & Forging Co. Had a line of double barrel shotguns, sidelocks, called Batavia guns in 1903. I also originally thought this is an A grade, but wonder if it could be a Parigon. This gun in the pics is the BATAVIA LEADER as you can see. Contents - Index:. Almost 6 years ago. I have found them to be nice handling shooters. Bid again. Folsom era Bakers usually have an F before or after the serial numbers 1- about 14,000 so again, I believe this one is before that.H & D Folsom Arms Co. 23, 25, and 31 (1929-1930) only list the Batavia Leader and Black Beauty Special. From your serial number your gun is an H&D . Baker Gun Co Batavia Leader. You may receive a 'B' with a different design of border or a duck or a dog in place of the two quail, or a dog pointing game, we cannot tell as it is our aim to give a variety of designs.'. In the 6000 range A's and B's should be marked . 1919 -1929) . This has a chip to the lower portion of the buttplate and the wood (toe?) Syracuse Forging and Gun Co., Syracuse, NY 1887-1889 New Baker with Underbolt 30 Syracuse Forging and Gun Co., Batavia, NY 1889-1890 New Baker with Underbolt 30 Baker Gun Forging Co.The Firearms Forum is on online community for all gun enthusiasts.Join us to discuss firearms of all kinds, gun accessories, legal issues and more. Ken Hurst information on the barrels being being damsacus is incorrect provided this gun is a 'Batavia Special' vs. 'Batavia Leader'. 5. Personally I tend to think of them as the poor mans L.C. Doublegunshop.com assumes no responsibility for errors or omissions in these materials. The is a collector's market for Baker guns, but it's very limited, the higher end models are the most sought after, and condition means everything. This one is 786XX, which puts it in the early days.Now, Baker Gun & Forging sold the business to H.& D. Folsom in 1919 and then the guns were marked 'Baker Gun Co.' As this one is not, I assume it is earlier than that. A serial number if there is one will be stamped on the bottom of the barrels or the flat part of the receiver which is known as the watertable. Drew In my reference book, "The Breech Loading Shotgun In America 1865 To 1940" written by Joseph T. Vorisek under the section on Baker Gun And Forging Company, Serial Number Ranges For Baker Shotguns, page 104, it list the Batavia Special production starting in 1908 with serial number 150,000 and continuing until 1915 and ending with serial number 153,200. Crescent Fire Arms Company did not start making Baker shotguns until 1920. My reference The Breech Loading Shotgun In America, 1860 to 1940 list three makers named Baker, two American and one English. At the age of 24, Baker decided to go into the gunsmithing business himself. Home Page; Write something about yourself. 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