It takes into consideration things like accidental death, and premeditation. He will not relent. So let seven of Sauls sons or grandsons be handed over to us, and we will execute them before the Lord at Gibeon, on the mountain of the Lord.. There is a very important difference. The Gibeonites presented themselves to the invading Israelites, not as nearby neighbors, but as distant foreigners who lived in a far-off land. Now, we move forward, not very long in time, to Joshua 9. ", So David went out and said, "There are some things that have needed to be done. Completely ignoring God's explicit command to spare the Gibeonites, Saul decreed it was time to remove them completely by exterminating them. Over the years I've urged our Fellowship to check out, investigate and take to heart such biblical alarms. He just weakly said, "Oh okay, whatever you want. This is what we have to learnunderstanding the distinction between guilt for sin, and the lingering effects of sin. Forty years, at least, has passed, and had they been involved in it back when Saul was still kinglet us say they were 18 to 20 years oldthese men involved in this massacre, should they still be alive, might be 60, 65, or even 70 years old. ", The Gibeonites, we are told, were not necessarily a warlike people. He enslaved them all, and made them wood cutters and menial laborers at the Tabernacle. Sheba's rebellion is in the previous chapter, II Samuel 20. As we get to about verse 32 in Hebrews 11, Paul says that he does not have time to get to all the other heroes of faith that the Bible gives us. One of them toward the end of this list is King David. He just let them walk all over him. WebA famine lasting three years hit Israel during the earlier half of David 's reign at Jerusalem. And it happened at the end of three days, after they had made a covenant with them, that they heard that they were their neighbors who dwelt near them. They engaged in battle, and Israel won, but the people and king Saul said, "Look at all this nice livestock! So the king called the Gibeonites and spoke to them. And David was told what Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, the concubine of Saul, had done. 0 responses Saul tried to get back his throne from God by doing what he thought was right, what he thought was zealous for God, by getting rid of the foreignersincluding the Gibeonitesthat were among them. In other words, we want them to be just like us. After that, they had their problems at Ai, and figured out that Achan was responsible for that. The two hints are that Saul and his house had a reputation for violence"Saul and his bloodthirsty house." Ezekiel 18:19-20 Yet you say, 'Why should the son not bear the guilt of the father?' No one killed king David. He died of old age, at the age of three score and ten (70 years). His son Solomon succeeded him. You might be thinking of They did not ask, "God, what should we do to these people, the Gibeonites? It must have been a satisfactory solution from Gods point of view, because he sent the rain on the land after the measures had been taken. He was humble and relied on God, and was granted many victories over Israels enemies. Things started to go downhill over time however, as Saul became presumptuous and arrogant; he ignored several direct commands of God, and the last straw came when he interfered in offering a sacrifice to God, in direct contravention of what hed been told to do. Vote Up It won't do anybody any good lying here dead. But the massacre of the Gibeonites probably occurred after that. Hearing that Joshua was camped in their general neighborhood, after his devastating defeat of the strategic cities of Jericho and Ai, the Gibeonites sent a delegation to him at nearby Gilgal. Instead, David brings back twice as many. It looks to me like he tried to work out a political solution rather than a righteous one. Her actions made David realize that he had violated another of God's commands by leaving the bodies of Saul, Jonathan, and the seven other sons unburied. He just simply rolled over. Yes, my lord, he answered. Psalm 34:17-18 The righteous cry out, and the LORD hears, and delivers them out of all their troubles. (Mark 6:20). And it would have been done quickly and easily. Over the years I've urged our Fellowship to check out, investigate and take to heart such biblical alarms. The world's arsenal is growing daily in material strength and sophisticated intimidation. You didn't do it. He was not really on the ball like he should have been. In their poverty and slavery the bowed but ever proud Gibeonites refused financial and other forms of compensation for the attempted genocide on their tribe. The Gibeonites decided on a different strategy. 3. It would be the equivalent of an event somewhere between the Korean War and the Vietnam War. I dont think it was a matter of God allowing the Gibeonites to put to death Sauls sons. And after that God heeded the prayer for the land. God sees behind the scenes. Much later, King Saul ignored this covenant of peace and killed some Gibeonites. Finally the light came on, and David said, "I had better ask what is going on here. Jesus Christ should be everyone's ultimate hero. Were they participants in killing the Gibeonites? Most, if not all, of those responsible were dead. It was not just Saul, but other members of his family. Their representatives were not up front with the Israeli leaders. These curses are things like diseases that might affect genetics, and they came as the result of sin. After that, God heeded the prayer of the land. Joshua 9:22-24 Then Joshua called for them, and he spoke to them, saying, "Why have you deceived us, saying, 'We are very far from you,' when you dwell near us? They have a discussion in the next few verses, and many Israelites want to go ahead and kill these Gibeonites for what they did. WebThese lists are not concerned with the Gibeonites at Gibeon, but with the Benjaminite group which came to settle at Gibeon in the course of time. and for his bloody house. Why were two of Saul's sons and five of Saul's grandsons killed for a crime they didn't commit? So David asked the Lord for help, and the Lord answered, Saul and his family are guilty of murder, because he had the Gibeonites killed. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments. They fell for it hook, line, and sinker, and they were stuck. To all appearances, it seems that they got away with it. Saul agreed, and off he went. Webzeal of king Saul - who was a Benjaminite - against the Gibeonites. What Saul did was commit another presumptuous sin. This is certainly not the David of Psalm 34, where he wrote. And King David rolled over and let this happen. There are so many things I have got to do.". Therefore, one of the first things that Joshua and the Israelites do is they allow a big problem to linger in their midst. Ezekiel 18 makes it clear that God punishes people for their own iniquity. God punished the whole nation for breaking the covenant. Throughout the Scriptures warnings of spiritual dangers are signaled by the flash cards of attention getting words like: "Take heed" or "Consider". Guilt for sin is not hereditary. ESV - WebNow, when they heard that the Gibeonites had made a special treaty with the Israelites they got very angry. The choice by Adam and Eve in the garden was a sin, and they paid for it through death. It is the time of the beginning of the barley harvest. Psalm 34:4-10 I sought the LORD, and He heard me, and delivered me from all my fears. Even their empty wine skins were completely dried up and cracked. From the time of Joshua, throughout the long period of the Judges, the very presence of these deceitful people had not only been a thorn in the side of the Israelis; their position in the land was a dividing wedge that separated southern Judah from the rest of the Kingdom. Saul, Israel's first king thought he knew better than God. They got a couple of their men, maybe elders, and got them to appear like they came along distance. David represents usJoe Church Membertrue Christians in a time of spiritual famine, much like what Amos describes in Amos 8:11, with the famine of the word. Evidently, that is what he did. God did not necessarily overlook all their sins, but He certainly forgave them. If you read 2Samuel 21 carefully, it seems possible that Saul and his house may have been trying to get the Gibeonites territory. There is no want to those who fear Him. It says a bit later that somebody told him what that woman was doing out there protecting the bodies of the slain men of Saul's house for the past six months and it was as though he said, "Oh really? In reading the Psalms, on the other hand, we get an idea of just how grateful he was for God's forgiveness and grace, because I believe he was aware of just what a rotten individual he really was. Good question. Finally, someone says to David, "Hey, did you know that Rizpah has been out on a rock for six months, sitting there day after day, protecting the corpses from birds and such, because the Gibeonites won't let her take them down and bury them? So he said, "Whatever you say, I will do for you." CONFLICT OF THE AGES ARTICLES It says that they were Saul's sons. We know that you said not to make a covenant with the people the land. God's correction may come a It is for Saul. King David was compelled to hand over his own people to the power of Israel's ongoing enemies. God is just. He does not live long past the end of II Samuel. Where are they from? David then goes to Gibeonites and asked to make amends. And these men, they need to be buried. Wherever he turned, he harassed them. Israel and Judah," who may have fretted at the inconvenience of having the Gibeonites among them. The Lord told them they had made a commitment to these people and they had to stand by it. When the Gibeonites heard that the other nations were going to attack them, they sent a message to Joshua and the people, Help! I think he was looking at Adonijah and Solomon, and seeing the positioning for the throne, and he just wanted to throw up his handsflee like some bird (Psalm 139). He went after a people that God did not want exterminated anymore. A God of faithfulness and without iniquity, just and upright is he. He was endangering the whole army by being out there, an old man trying to fight like a young man. Saul and the heir to the throne, his son, Jonathan, were killed in a battle with the Philistines, and by popular acclamation, David became the King of Israel. Perhaps if I go and kill all the Gibeonites like Joshua was supposed to do, maybe God will let me back into the chair.". The consequences are not the guilt. It seems as though he was spiritually sleepwalking through this whole thing. Deceit and delusion are powerful spiritual weapons of destruction but they pale in potency compared to the creative and edifying Word of God come alive by faith in believers' hearts! It's much too heavy any more!" Whatever the case, it is very plain to me that he did not pay enough attention to this matter of the famine and drought, and the Gibeonites. And we are supposed to be ready. He received good marks in Scripture. Although the people of Israel had sworn to spare them, Saul had sought to strike them down in his zeal for the people of Israel and Judah. Web2 Samuel 21:1 Context. There were not very many of them left. Now Rizpah the daughter of Aiah took sackcloth and spread it for herself on the rock, from the beginning of harvest until the late rains poured on them from heaven. But the consequences of their sinswhat it means to us; what happened because of their sinstill affects us today. WebDavid serves Saul with music on his harp Nov 24, 1025. Much later, King Saul ignored this covenant of peace and killed some Gibeonites. At the time the Israelites under Joshua invaded the Promised Land of Canaan, most of the inhabitants rose up in arms against them. And David sought the face of the Lord. And he gathered an army and attacked the Amalekites, and delivered Israel from the hands of those who plundered them. The people of the land stand for our spiritual enemiesour human nature, this world, and Satan the Devil. What we do inherit of their sin is consequences. Deep and long lasting trouble for both parties - both the Israelites and the Gibeonites - was the fruit of this clever, but calamitous deception. What is meaning of 2 Cor. God sent the rain, it says specifically, "from heaven," verse 10, "in the latter rains," which is their normal cycle. He made huge errors in judgment, both personally and in a larger sense. The Bible doesnt really say. This is taken from the book Antiquities of the Jews, pg. 7: AFTER this, when the country was greatly afflicted with a God extends blessings far farther into the future than He does the curses. So Joshua made peace with them, and made a covenant with them to let them live; and the rulers of the congregation swore to them. He did not do a thing that a king or judge should do. Is that what happened?" He gets kicked down the societal ladder for his sin, and it takes three or four generations for the family to recover. David did all this, it seems, off the top of his head. Jonathan. WebOne of the mothers of the men hanged by the Gibeonites protected the bodies of Saul's sons from birds and wild beasts day and night. In 2 Samuel 21:1-14, we see that Saul committed an awful crime, and this caused famine in Israel. And they took old sacks on their donkeys, old wineskins torn and mended, old and patched sandals on their feet, and old garments on themselves; and all the bread of their provision was dry and moldy. You are no longer fit to be king." (4:10). Perhaps the Scriptures are contrasting the faithless actions of Saul and his house in regard to the covenant with the Gibeonites, with the faithful actions of David in regard to the covenant with Jonathan. If you look at a map in the back of your Bible which has something to do with the conquest of Israel, you will see that Gilgal is right over the Jordan River, just on the eastern side of the land. So, he spared Agag, and he spared a lot of the good stuff. One other thing: Samuel said that God is not going to go back on His word. Another possibility is that when Saul slew many of the priests at Nob he also executed many Gibeonites (1 Samuel 22:19). You do not know. We are getting toward the end of King David's life. When God called Saul to be king, Israel was on the verge of collapse. During the time of the judges, the Israelites had repeatedly turned away, lea Because David had been good friends with Jonathan, he at first allowed all of Sauls family to continue to live peaceably in the land. Lets be clear from the very beginning, David was kind to Mephibosheth for his father Jonathans sake (2 Samuel 9:1). Mephibosheth was only five ye The Jewish Encyclopedia asserts that one group of rabbis felt that Saul's punishment at God's hands is a sign of his weak moral character whose only virtue was being tall and handsome. They knew! I think he was distracted because the turmoil had taken such a toll on Israel, and the famine too, that he was worried about the economy, rebuilding cities and fortifications, and his alliances with Hiram and others. It causes a problem in the way that the next generation is formed. Now it came to pass, when Adonizedec king of I will do it." At most it was about ten miles awaynot very far at all. David was Born Mar 2, 2022 A three-year famine occurs as a result of Sauls attack on the Gibeonites Mar 2, 2022. According to a May 2007 George Barna Poll, 63% of Americans, mostly professing Christians, believe that Jesus sinned during His physical life! Ezekiel 18:19-20 indicates that guilt for sin is not transferable, but the consequences can often touch several generations. They were a group of Amorites. Saul also had sound state reasons for his action, for the Gibeonites were occupying an enclave in the very Throughout the Scriptures warnings of spiritual dangers are signaled by the flash cards of attention getting words like: "Take heed" or "Consider". Today, I want to visit one of King David's lesser-known black marks, and draw some lessons from it at the end. It is after Absalom's rebellion. And with what shall I make atonement, that you may bless the inheritance of the LORD?" God told Joshua to get rid of all these foreigners in the land. Why was David so loyal to Saul after everything Saul had done to him? Evidently, he thought that he could win back his kingdom if he zealously did God's will. So he did to them, and delivered them out of the hand of the children of Israel, so that they did not kill them. God was not in all his thoughts during this time. The "Man of Steel" is just too perfect, too smart, and too invincible. He decided to let the Gibeonites dictate everything. Based on what he knew, and what was available in God's law, David should have been much more judicious. Then there are things of degeneracy. The latter believed that Saul's desire was to destroy them utterly. Jamieson, Fausset and Brown comments: It was a heathen practice to gibbet men with a view of appeasing the anger of the gods in seasons of famine, and the Gibeonites, who were a remnant of the Amorites, though brought to the knowledge of the true God, were not, it seems, free from this superstition. Gave 7 of Saul's sons to the Gibeonites. How does this all connect with Ezekiel chapter 18? We still need some more background. Things were going wrong. But, they like the dark one because he is moody, and doing things not for quite the right reasons. Does the devil have power to make us sick? Skeptic turned believer, Catholic, father of 3, ABC/DTS graduate, guitar music ministry Baptist church. To re-establish peace between the two tribes, David fulfills the Gibeonites request to sacrifice two heirs of Israels throne, Sauls sons and grandsons. Oh, fear the LORD, you His saints! You might say a whole cycle of generations. Also, the Lord pronounced, It is a result of the massacre by Saul and welcome classification because Saul indeed destroyed the Gibeonites in the Bible. Here we find the Gibeonites demand, and King David counter demandsNOT. They didn't present themselves in a truthful light saying that they were neighbors who respected Israel's strength and godly advantage and were suing for peace. The higher the vote, the further up an answer is. David was annonted by Sammuel Apr 10, 1035. This is a major reason why the church of God does not subscribe to the traditional doctrine of "The Fall of Man." So, give or take, 40 to 50 years have passed. He keeps his word even to his own disadvantage and does not change it [for his own benefit] (Psalm 15:1, 4; AMP). Verse 1 did say that it was "Saul and his bloodthirsty house" who had massacred the Gibeonites. Now the Gibeonites were not of the people of Israel but of the remnant of the Amorites. However, we have a great deal of trouble identifying with or understanding pure, innocent and perfect Galahad. And we bear the guilt with them for that. He had to sit there and judge people with all the little things they constantly brought up to him that seemed to need his decision on. This is interesting. Jonathan and Saul led the WebWhen Sauls agents came up, she pretended that David was ill and placed a household idol and a net of goats hair in his bed, as if her husband were still lying there (vv. Think about it. Where have you been, David? II Samuel 21:1-14 Now there was a famine in the days of David for three years, year after year; and David inquired of the L ORD. He simply folded, giving the Gibeonites everything they wanted. Throughout the centuries, the original Gibeonites continued to exist as a people, although King Saul schemed to destroy them. The Gibeonites, howev Other people do not carry the guilt for that person's sin. By this time, having fought all his life since he was a teenagerup against Goliath when he was eighteen or soand here he was approaching 70 years old, and he was tired. The Israelite version was a whole lot less absolute. The Gibeonites deceived Israel, but God's people had really deceived themselves. The time had passed. There is nothing to give you any indication that God was involved in anything except the faminetrying to teach David a lesson. The historical narrative of King David is drawing to a close. If you read Psalm 51 it is very clear that he understood his own makeup. It only says that God heeded the prayer of the land. THE STORY OF JOSEPH - I am putting this all together from history. You had to go up quite a bit. The midrash states that when Saul learned of this, he was angry with his daughter and demanded of her: Why did you deceive me and let my enemy escape? So, he kept his own covenant, but he did not go any further to figure out from God's law to know what should be done in this situation. Without checking out their story; without surveying the geographical situation; most of all, without consulting the Lord and waiting for His guidance, Joshua went impulsively ahead and signed a binding, lasting agreement with the Gibeonites. Should the explanation in Genesis on how God created plants before the sun affect the understanding of creation? Report, August 29 2022 It springs out when you are not ready. Why so? That the famine continued indicates God displeasure with David's decision and inner motives. "We don't want any money, for sure not Saul's money. They looked to Him and were radiant, and their faces were not ashamed. There was no negotiation; there was no calling them on anything. This would be in the spring during or after the Days of Unleavened Bread. Only in one sense, there was a fall of man, but certainly not in the traditional sense. On the other hand, when people do well, like Abraham, and they live God's way of life, this allows God the leeway to show mercy unto thousands of generations of people. The Gibeonites joined in the fight against the Philistines B. Your threshing shall last till the time of vintage, and the vintage shall last till the time of sowing; you shall eat your bread to the full, and dwell in your land safely. But, he did not. He attempted the genocide of We do not know when it happened. They were going to come in there and just exterminate. I think that this was a test from God, and David failed spectacularly, except in keeping his promise to Jonathan. We have our own sins to pay for; we do not pay for theirs. Matt 24:4/Mk 13:5/Lk 21:8. For a relatively small group the Gibeonites drove a hard bargain and soon it was a done deal. This was history now. But Joshua had the final decision. SERIES INTRODUCTION How many died in sicknesses? They did what is recalled in verses 3 through 6 above. The Gibeonites take the young men and essentially lynch them, leaving the bodies of Sauls sons and grandsons to rot, exposed and humiliated in the presence of God at a local shrine. He says to watchbe aware, be awake, be vigilant; know what your spiritual state is. The stories of such people like Abel, Seth, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, and on through the chapter give us hope that like them we can overcome and be assured of entering the Kingdom of God. Moreover, the Gibeonites who survived remembered, and they wanted blood when they were asked. PHARAOH AND HAMAN - And the LORD answered, "It is because of Saul and his bloodthirsty house, because he killed the Gibeonites." It was certainly alive and well in Israel. There is a great deal more than what meets the eye. Joshua 9:14 is the key to Israel's problem. However, if he did not lie in wait, but God delivered him into his hand, then I will appoint for you a place where he may flee.". They made their dust-covered clothes to look worn and ragged as if they had been on the road for many days, even months. That is the bottom line. The Israelites had promised not to The Gibeonites actually lived only a few miles from Jericho, the Twelve Tribes' designated entry point to Palestine. . He asked me, "How does this incident square with what God says in Ezekiel 18:19-20?". Here are guidelines to help facilitate a meaningful learning experience for everyone. King David came at it from a position of weakness, not of one who knew God's law and could answer these people from spiritual strength. Why does the Bible say David spared Mephibosheth then offered him to the Gibeonites to be killed? On the mammoth scene of world history this minor alliance would rank as a minute encounter. He allowed his actions to be dictated by the Gentile principle of retributionvengeancerather than God's law on such matters. A person dies for his own sins, not those committed by someone else, whether father, son, or black sheep uncle. Those who believe that they can outsmart, outflank or in any way outmaneuver our Enemy through cerebral strategies are doomed to the slavery and destruction heaped upon Saul and the Gibeonites. by LeRoy Gardenier Nevertheless, he names a few of them. In fact, look down to verse 15, II Samuel 21:15-17 When the Philistines were at war again with Israel, David and his servants with him went down and fought against the Philistines; and David grew faint. 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