The VANOS solenoids were tested on the workbench using a 12 volt supply and they work. Changed the solenoid valves. JavaScript is disabled. 2008 BMW 128I [0.00] Check engine light DTC 131501. Had mechanic put on Autel code reader diagnostics and got 10 or so codes relating to things such as the dinamic stability control, fuel pump. F30 N20 drivetrain malfunction after timing chain replacement at dealership : BmwTech 2 Posted by 2 years ago F30 N20 drivetrain malfunction after timing chain replacement at dealership Hey guys, I have a 2014 F30 with the N20 motor and the only mods are the dinan stage 3 tune and a dinan fmic. Got it replaced for half of the price in warranty, consider also the timing chain replace if needed. The intake cam had the following desired/actual degrees: 0/-8, -20/-20, -10.4/-10, -20/-20 and -10.4/-10. I have maintained it meticulously. Changed the oil filter and OIL. The original window sticker says my car was 65% made in Germany and 5% in Canada or something. Last question- if it is a failing timing chain- is this a something best repaired in a couple weeks, or do I have a few months. The BMW N20 is a 4-cylinder, turbocharged engine produced from 2011-2017, and was BMW's replacement for the naturally aspirated 3.0L 6-cylinder N52/N53 engines. Code 130104 Vanos intake control fault camshaft stuck Reset codes and adaptations without increment wheel. Is the fact that my vehicle is not on your list reassuring? The hardcore BMW fan base could not help but fall in love with the spritely performance offered by this upgraded engine. Thank you so much for your advice. Hi,,,yes your car is not on the list but that doesnt mean that it still has this problem,,,and since your car is 4 wheel drive the chain is not being used more it is the same on both 4 wheel drive and rear wheel drive,,,,now if you want to keep the vehicle it is a good idea to replace the timing chain and rails and oil pump chain for safety reasons. Its a shame to have to scrap the car. 130308 The BMW Certified Pre-Owned Limited Warranty applies to BMW CPO vehicles that are still work, claim this work with the applicable defect code and labor operations listed in KSD2. Click on the This is due to a diagnostic programming error in the DME. I have a f10 2013 528i x drive with 105k miles on it , The engine makes a rattling noise when cold and its not as loud when the car warms up but when driving at around 1-25 mph their is a whining noise coming from the engine. Also camshaft sensors also does not give any data to DME. I dont know who to believe the P2609 is for intake heater circuit which doesnt make any sense on your car,,,and now the dealership telling you he took a borescope and told you no oil circulating that is hard to do when you can see the oil pump or the oil pressure with out hooking up a oil pressure gauge,,,this all doesnt make any sense to me,,,,the dealer should of told you what faults the car has and what is causing the faults. It all depends are your production date of your car,,,you can also tell the dealer about this bulletin. This could be a fuel issue,,,but BMW is not saying anything about the problem. 130304 VANOS, exhaust, control fault, camshaft jammed SI B12 15 13 By any chance do you know how long will the dealerships receive this extended warranty info after the case settles? It goes from 0 8 kpa and back to 0 will cranking do you have any idea what that reading should be on the fuel rail. Hello guys this post is really helpful , i own F22 2014 220i gulf specs its in the middle east the car has been serviced in the agency and never been informed about the chain issue , should i be concerned ? Hi, I own a 2012 BMW X1 that recently developed a timing chain problem. I guess I can continue to enjoy the car and see what happens or sell it. Symptoms when timing chain fails is engine wont start,,,engine wont turn over,,,,have your mechanics see if he can turn the motor over by hand with a breaker bar on the front crank bolt. Recently purchased 2104 BMW X1 28i x drive. To set the timing properly you have to be sure the Vanos units are locked its end position, so its moving 1:1 with the camshaft. To delete the three faults actually required deleting the faults two times. Thank you!! Common Symptoms Increase in fuel consumption Poor engine performance Possible misfire on start-up Cold start issues Possible Causes There are several possible causes for this code, such as: Damaged camshaft position sensor Defective crankshaft position sensor 130304 Intermittent VANOS (variable cam shaft timing) exhaust: control fault, camshaft stuck I bought 2012 X1 with 85,000km and after reading different posts makes me worried about the timing chain issue, I called the dealer they said there is no recall on this vehicle except driver side air bag! As many have said before, thank you for your very valuable insights and information. I was told by a mechanic that the engine was done, simply by information from a scan. You only touched an accessories belt part. The VANOS function test showed that both VANOS units were working. Your really helpful : So how do I know when its time for a update. Should I proactively replace the timing chain tensioner, part number 11318685091 (replaces part number 11317567680)? Since its not on the list, does this mean this timing chain guide failure is highly unlikely? Cloning means making full copy of ISN files from original DME and copy it over to use DME, So what happens if the ISN files are corrupted and you just copied it over to the other DMEare the pins damaged on the original DME ,,,or are the connection on the harness damage,,,,we just had a car last mouth where the harness was damaged for the fuel injector signals causing fuel to dump,,,the harness was damaged on the connector for the DME,,,you might have to perform OHM test on the harness to make sure the harness and connections are good. How do I approach the dealer saying I hear a noise and whatnot for them to fix it while it is still under warranty? Hello there. The BMW N20 is a 1.6 and 2.0 L (98 and 122 cu in) turbocharged four-cylinder DOHC petrol engine with variable valve lift and variable valve timing which replaced the N53 (or BMW N52 in some markets) and was produced from 2011 to 2017 by BMW. 131501 VANOS, intake, starting from cold: Non-adjustable 131808 VANOS, exhaust, starting from cold: Position not reached . Then I changed the exhaust cam gear and the solenoid. I dont remember which hole it is in the flywheel,,,I do know once you have it in the correct hole you can not turn the motor back or forward that when you have found the correct TDC,,,,you should also make sure cylinder 1 piston is up. So for the E89 Z4 only the 28i N20 powered model is affected and not the 20i sDrive? Emissions Warranty coverage that applies. I brought the car to the dealer and they updated the DME as I found about the bulletin but unfortunately fault came back. 2D5A VANOS, intake, control fault, camshaft jammed I say bad engineering or a BMW scam? 2D57 VANOS, intake, starting from cold: Position not reached I want to make sure this issue is fixed. Disregard my question. Look into loose connectors. Andrea, I just found your blog looking for answers for my used/ new to me 2013 328i with N20 engine. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. If BMWNA does not fix this N20/N26 TC issue, a chunk of remaining faithfuls will deflect to other brands. Timing is performed by the timing chain. Coul it be timming change or leak some where? December 2013 Earlier this week I took my 2012 328i to dealership because check engine light came on. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ASE and BMW Master Certified Technician 09-28-2017, 07:33 PM #6 Ramos8553 Member Join Date Sep 2017 with the following integration levels: Bringing the BMW community together. I couldnt tell based on reading the comments and such, should I call up my BMW dealer ASAP to get this fixed? Connecting rods are 144.35 mm long. 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For information on programming and coding with ISTA/P, refer to Covered under the terms of the BMW New Car/SAV Limited Warranty or the BMW Certified Pre- E84 and E89: Question,,,what is a DME clone,,,,is it a used DME?,,,,or a aftermarket replacement DME. This seems correct, but I'm looking to avoid removing the valve cover. are the codes it wont start i have a timing chain set on the way have you seen any of these engine survive after I reside in Alberta as well. Hello question I have 428xi n26 sulev f32 and I was looking at my key reader report and where it says Software version/updates section: I-level current integration level of vehicle F020-19-07-539. Yes, for mine BMW was due to a fault to the timing chain tensioner. Looks all good. Hello BMW Technician, I have a 2011 BMW 535i with N55 engine. Did this on the intake side. Opened oil pan and checked pick up screen. I went to the shop today to see what codes it was and i got a code: P13C0. Maybe a stupid question but I noticed the f31 328i xdrive is mentioned on the form but not the rw ? check got vanos dtc come to relies i switch the cam gears when i install them so i correct it after veh cranks but no start check timming over like 3 time it good. Work time (WT) labor operation 61 00 006 requires an individual punch time. They also included a video from the technician. 2. Would you suspect this is more related to the software reprogram or is the timing off? I dont know how serious this is,,,but your mechanic is right to remove the valve cover and inspect the timing chain and guide rails,,,,if that is ok the check the exhaust vanos unit and intake vanos units,,,,your faults are for the exhaust side,,,the boost charge fault is due to the exhaust vanos faults. I am not sure if it was the wrong filter. Or do you think its just possible plastic bits of junk in the sump pump pick up? There were no faults. U tell me, BMW my have a governor,,,but you still can over rev the engine,,,,it is a strange design that doesnt work,,,but I think BMW did this way so they can blame the customer for over reving the engine and not paying for a blown engine. I can of course record my engine startup if thatll let you know the case). i took it to a euro car guy that i know he flashed the transmission and that solved the problem, did you get it sorted I, having the same faults. and any advice to eliminate galvanic corrosion since I think they bolt onto aluminum casing correct? Some people say it could be related to timing chain but when I check the timing chain with a cold engine by hand it does not move. Engine also has forged crankshaft with 4 counterweights that is installed with shift. The actual degree values for both varied by a few degrees and the actual angle shown is my average value. He indicated it was a timing chain waiting to fail- do you agree? Reply Quote. 131401 Intermittent VANOS (variable cam shaft timing) exhaust cold start not controllable Car start very well but no power and check engine light on code po52b. BMW replaced the motor and shipped it to us in AZ from Virginia. MODEL I had 2014 328i and having no issue yet so far,but im concern about the timing chain since my car is on the list of having problems with the timing chain,i checked the vin number to see if there is a recall for that and did not see anything,what should i do to double check ?should i go to dealership and just tell them about this bulleti? Hi, Thank you for your time and expertise. Ive been told by dealership that timing chain is tight and has passed their test. No car manufacturer is going to tell you the problems with their car,,,they are just worried about the sale of that car,,,,not what is wrong with that car. I learned that if you touch the neg and positive battery cable together while the battery is disconnected it clears the light. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Yes it should,,,,but sometimes some random faults might still be their, The service engine light has not cleared. My rule if its not broken dont fix it,,,,dont take the solenoids apart ok,,,,the turbo boost fault was related to the vanos faults. Thanks you! 108f01 hi, hello i have a 2013 bmw x3 from a family friend with n20 and cam shaft are not in alignment any more. is there a chance that he is wrong? I called the mechanic he said it was a fault related to the emissions. Ive got a 2014 320i with 36,000 miles. Great blog here..dear BMWTech amy idea of the failure rate of the N20/26 timing chain..is it 30%? It currently has 165,000 km without any chain problems. Its a bit like on the list, the block of 20i and 28i is quite close, so why one seems more impacted than the other (the higher torque?). charger. Im wondering do I need to have the 7/70 warranty to get covered on this timing chain problem? This turbocharged 2.0L inline-four was considered a replacement to the BMW N52 a naturally-aspirated, inline-six engine. So just saw this in the nick of time. Replace the solenoid that the code followed. (with CAS) Idk what to do at this point im devastated. Unfortunately for me, I was not informed about an extended free warrantee on the chain and guides, BMW kept it quiet. also it has a start stall initially. Thanks for this. Code 131501 Variable camshaft timing control VANOS intake cold start- not controllable three fault codes are Seems like the locking pins are stuck. 2: 12A701 Catalytic converter downstream oxygen sensor, electrical fault: circuit short to battery (+) Think I'll avoid this. But the list post on this forum shows E84 X1 xDrive28i with N20 is a recall! Today my engine shut off while I was driving. Is there a or way trick to clear the code without seeing a mechanic or using a code reader?ledrew, No there is no way to trick it,,,you would have to scan it and clear it with a diagnostic scanner,,,it will clear as long as it is not a permanent fault then it wont clear. Four months later I got a drive train malfunction that turned on then went away after a day. and if necessary, also It is really a shame that BMW does not communicate on the subject, especially since here in Europe the problem is not repeated while in the United States it seems widespread. Turbo engines are more complex and require several . Is there possible timing not to be correct on the intake vanos unit?! I know I might be looking at replacing Vanos Actuator, central valve or the whole vanos unit. Everything works, radio, windows, Locks. Note: When the ISTA system message displays: Battery voltage only XX.XX V. Please connect Having the same. Hi bmwtechnician, Now I'm getting the drivetrain malfunction every time I start my car. F10, F25, F30, F31 and F34: Yesterday I did get all the fault codes cleared. I personally know of one person that had a total loss on their X1 engine in Saskatchewan back in 2016 before BMW Canada acknowledged a widespread issue with the timing chain on the N20. The old oil filter was stuck onto the basket. No one knows what this CDA904 code means. My engine shut of while idle in park. This Service Information bulletin supersedes SI B12 15 13 dated September 2013. N20 cylinder block is made of aluminum with two balance shafts and steel-plated cylinders. Sorry for the confusion, I understand you have the N20 engine,,,,what Im saying on the N20 engine the vans unit failing is not a common problem like the N51,,,,,on the N20 engine there are no replacement bolts for the vanos unit not like the N51. Hi Im wondering do I need to have a 7/70 warranty to get BMW cover for this problem? 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